Comments on: Armor Etch: Something New In Graffiti http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html Ideas & Trends Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:51:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: *SEGA*PLK*WDHKLICK* http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-2#comment-258155 *SEGA*PLK*WDHKLICK* Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:00:29 +0000 #comment-258155 all of you people need to stop bitching about us writers. were not gonna stop, and you cant stop us! ive been arrested, fined, been put on probation and have done hundreds of hours of community service, and guess what? i still havent stopped, and i never will. people want to know why we write graff? its because its our own escape.. its a way to relieve stress and have fun. graffiti has been around for thousands of yearss! and nothing is gonna stop us writers. no matter what were still gonna fuck shit up and make a name for ourselves and guess what?? 3-m anti graffiti film wont stop us! were smarter then that. that shits as soft as butter. we can peel that shit off your mirror, and scribe on the real glass. so keep in mind, writers are people not just "hoodlems" as you rich snobs say graffiti tells its own story it shows whos been where. and when they were there.. i have 5 year old scribes on countless mirrors. and tables and tolilet seats and there not going anywhere ive been writing since i was 9 years old. thats half of my life fucking shit up and nothings changing! if you still dont understand the fun and beauty of the graff world, then watch this video this is the first of ten videos its called infamy. and it will explain everything http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUB7QveDdYM all of you people need to stop bitching about us writers.
were not gonna stop, and you cant stop us!
ive been arrested, fined, been put on probation and have done hundreds of hours of community service, and guess what?
i still havent stopped, and i never will.
people want to know why we write graff?
its because its our own escape..
its a way to relieve stress and have fun.
graffiti has been around for thousands of yearss!
and nothing is gonna stop us writers.
no matter what were still gonna fuck shit up and make a name for ourselves
and guess what??
3-m anti graffiti film wont stop us!
were smarter then that.
that shits as soft as butter.
we can peel that shit off your mirror, and scribe on the real glass.
so keep in mind, writers are people
not just “hoodlems” as you rich snobs say
graffiti tells its own story
it shows whos been where. and when they were there..
i have 5 year old scribes on countless mirrors. and tables and tolilet seats
and there not going anywhere
ive been writing since i was 9 years old.
thats half of my life fucking shit up
and nothings changing!

if you still dont understand the fun and beauty of the graff world, then watch this video
this is the first of ten videos
its called infamy.
and it will explain everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUB7QveDdYM

]]> By: *SEGA*PLK*WDHKLICK* http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-2#comment-258154 *SEGA*PLK*WDHKLICK* Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:59:52 +0000 #comment-258154 all of you people need to stop bitching about us writers. were not gonna stop, and you cant stop us! ive been arrested, fined, been put on probation and have done hundreds of hours of community service, and guess what? i still havent stopped, and i never will. people want to know why we write graff? its because its our own escape.. its a way to relieve stress and have fun. graffiti has been around for thousands of yearss! and nothing is gonna stop us writers. no matter what were still gonna fuck shit up and make a name for ourselves and guess what?? 3-m anti graffiti film wont stop us! were smarter then that. that shits as soft as butter. we can peel that shit off your mirror, and scribe on the real glass. so keep in mind, writers are people not just "hoodlems" as you rich snobs say graffiti tells its own story it shows whos been where. and when they were there.. i have 5 year old scribes on countless mirrors. and tables and tolilet seats and there not going anywhere ive been writing since i was 9 years old. thats half of my life fucking shit up and nothings changing! if you still dont understand the fun and beauty of the graff world, then watch this video this is the first of ten videos its called infamy. and it will explain everything all of you people need to stop bitching about us writers.
were not gonna stop, and you cant stop us!
ive been arrested, fined, been put on probation and have done hundreds of hours of community service, and guess what?
i still havent stopped, and i never will.
people want to know why we write graff?
its because its our own escape..
its a way to relieve stress and have fun.
graffiti has been around for thousands of yearss!
and nothing is gonna stop us writers.
no matter what were still gonna fuck shit up and make a name for ourselves
and guess what??
3-m anti graffiti film wont stop us!
were smarter then that.
that shits as soft as butter.
we can peel that shit off your mirror, and scribe on the real glass.
so keep in mind, writers are people
not just “hoodlems” as you rich snobs say
graffiti tells its own story
it shows whos been where. and when they were there..
i have 5 year old scribes on countless mirrors. and tables and tolilet seats
and there not going anywhere
ive been writing since i was 9 years old.
thats half of my life fucking shit up
and nothings changing!

if you still dont understand the fun and beauty of the graff world, then watch this video
this is the first of ten videos
its called infamy.
and it will explain everything

]]> By: vandals http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-2#comment-257329 vandals Tue, 19 May 2009 17:21:10 +0000 #comment-257329 to all you graffiti haters: keep moaning and bitching and whining.. you only motivate me even more to go out in the streets and destroy shit.. if you really want to stop us, go around town and start buffing our shit!! TALK IS CHEAP and i'd like to conclude by saying that yall cant stop graffiti because there will always be a dissensus and a consensus to the system.. neither side will truly win.. this struggle is meant to last forever.. and thats exactly what keeps the world turning and gives people meaning to their lives... PEACE to all you graffiti haters: keep moaning and bitching and whining.. you only motivate me even more to go out in the streets and destroy shit.. if you really want to stop us, go around town and start buffing our shit!! TALK IS CHEAP

and i’d like to conclude by saying that yall cant stop graffiti because there will always be a dissensus and a consensus to the system.. neither side will truly win.. this struggle is meant to last forever.. and thats exactly what keeps the world turning and gives people meaning to their lives… PEACE

]]> By: psssh yeah right http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-2#comment-254118 psssh yeah right Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:59:12 +0000 #comment-254118 you want a little light graf has had etch forever, if you get caught its a predicate only they dont mess around, why is it down mostly cause thats part of graf destruction and its just a tool against this world and society, the streets evolves and mutates it will never die as long as corporate bull5h1t still exists, peace and wreck everything you want a little light graf has had etch forever, if you get caught its a predicate only they dont mess around, why is it down mostly cause thats part of graf destruction and its just a tool against this world and society, the streets evolves and mutates it will never die as long as corporate bull5h1t still exists, peace and wreck everything

]]> By: bomber http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-2#comment-248239 bomber Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:15:48 +0000 #comment-248239 in nyc, etch is everywhere.... just DONT GET THAT SHIT ON YOU! in nyc, etch is everywhere…. just DONT GET THAT SHIT ON YOU!

]]> By: doug simons http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-2#comment-13616 doug simons Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:04:18 +0000 #comment-13616 I can remove the acid etching window graffit to see pictures just go to my web site www.chicagopowerclean.com i also work with a company that can put on a 3-m anti graffiti film I can remove the acid etching window graffit to see pictures just go to my web site http://www.chicagopowerclean.com i also work with a company that can put on a 3-m anti graffiti film

]]> By: SayzOne B612 WDD FOS crew http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-11919 SayzOne B612 WDD FOS crew Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:36:45 +0000 #comment-11919 Graffiti, to me, has always been a means of escape. Escape from the totalitarian state in which we live, the totalitarian house-hold in which I live, and the totalitarian state-of-mind in which I have trapped myself. No true graffiti writer can deny that he or she is committing a crime, but I do take a bit of pride in the fact that my crime is beautiful, at least to me, a beholder and a writer. Everybody has a vice. You are no different than me. Some kids do drugs, some rob banks, and others write their names on walls. Graff is just further down the spectrum than less venial vices. Every artist has to suffer for his or her art a bit to truly appreciate what they're doing. Van Gogh cut off his own ear. I'm prepared to do jail time to suffer for my art. It'll all be worth it someday. Graffiti is here to stay and it's for the better. If I have etched or will etch your windows in the future, I sincerely apologize but I'm going to keep doing what sustains me. Graffiti, to me, has always been a means of escape. Escape from the totalitarian state in which we live, the totalitarian house-hold in which I live, and the totalitarian state-of-mind in which I have trapped myself. No true graffiti writer can deny that he or she is committing a crime, but I do take a bit of pride in the fact that my crime is beautiful, at least to me, a beholder and a writer. Everybody has a vice. You are no different than me. Some kids do drugs, some rob banks, and others write their names on walls. Graff is just further down the spectrum than less venial vices. Every artist has to suffer for his or her art a bit to truly appreciate what they’re doing. Van Gogh cut off his own ear. I’m prepared to do jail time to suffer for my art. It’ll all be worth it someday.

Graffiti is here to stay and it’s for the better. If I have etched or will etch your windows in the future, I sincerely apologize but I’m going to keep doing what sustains me.

]]> By: Shine Glass Renewal http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-11547 Shine Glass Renewal Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:47:37 +0000 #comment-11547 Shine Glass Renewal is one of the only companies that can effectively remove Acid Graffiti with No Distortion check us out on the web at http://www.shineglassrenewal.com Shine Glass Renewal is one of the only companies that can effectively remove Acid Graffiti with No Distortion check us out on the web at http://www.shineglassrenewal.com

]]> By: sigh http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-10252 sigh Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:50:21 +0000 #comment-10252 graffiti writers that do pieces or murals are also taggers. they view tagging as the origin of graffiti, and developing a good tag is seen as essential if one is going to be taken seriously by the graffiti community. i don't even know where to start in my criticism of the posts here. the "journalists", the squares, the graffiti writers . . . almost everybody sounds as if their brains are malfunctioning. it makes me want to shoot myself. vera, the "aficionado", makes me want to shoot everybody else. graffiti writers that do pieces or murals are also taggers. they view tagging as the origin of graffiti, and developing a good tag is seen as essential if one is going to be taken seriously by the graffiti community.
i don’t even know where to start in my criticism of the posts here. the “journalists”, the squares, the graffiti writers . . . almost everybody sounds as if their brains are malfunctioning. it makes me want to shoot myself. vera, the “aficionado”, makes me want to shoot everybody else.

]]> By: Jay Beswick http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-6600 Jay Beswick Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:12:07 +0000 #comment-6600 Vandal Shield has a patented process that works, its a real business opportunity for those who want to rid their neighborhoods of this visual blight. www.vandalshield.com will train applicators, they are one in the same with supplying mylar films to transit agencies. Vandal Shield has a patented process that works, its a real business opportunity for those who want to rid their neighborhoods of this visual blight. http://www.vandalshield.com will train applicators, they are one in the same with supplying mylar films to transit agencies.

]]> By: Helen Scott http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4635 Helen Scott Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4635 <p>Very interesting piece. I moved to New York City about a year ago from 'Middle America.' I had no prior knowledge of the art, science, and language of graffiti artists. I have always pondered how the 'taggers' scraped their mark into the subway glass without getting caught. I can't believe it is as easy as smearing a product on and walking away. Is this a form of communication that has yet to really be explored? Where do taggers come from and how did their culture develop? What is the impact of this on 'buzz' marketing? Especially considering "The Apprentice" just did a show on graffiti advertising last night. This was a very insightful piece and I would love to hear more about what J.T. has to say on this matter. <br /> ~HS<br /> </p> Very interesting piece. I moved to New York City about a year ago from ‘Middle America.’ I had no prior knowledge of the art, science, and language of graffiti artists. I have always pondered how the ‘taggers’ scraped their mark into the subway glass without getting caught. I can’t believe it is as easy as smearing a product on and walking away. Is this a form of communication that has yet to really be explored? Where do taggers come from and how did their culture develop? What is the impact of this on ‘buzz’ marketing? Especially considering “The Apprentice” just did a show on graffiti advertising last night. This was a very insightful piece and I would love to hear more about what J.T. has to say on this matter.
~HS

]]> By: No.156 http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4636 No.156 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4636 <p>This is very interesting, what I want to know is who came up with the idea. Armour etch is an interesting turn for taggers. Who came up with this, and what will happen when they get caught. This is not just graffiti, this is defacing of property and as a shop manager, with a storefront of glass, I could see this becoming a real monetary problem.</p> <p>156</p> This is very interesting, what I want to know is who came up with the idea. Armour etch is an interesting turn for taggers. Who came up with this, and what will happen when they get caught. This is not just graffiti, this is defacing of property and as a shop manager, with a storefront of glass, I could see this becoming a real monetary problem.

156

]]> By: Piers Fawkes http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4637 Piers Fawkes Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4637 <p>Just to add to this, I've heard that the "hoodlums" have been using "etching cream" in shoe polish bottles for several years now ...NYC has windows a decade old with old dripped etches on it where businesses refuse to replace the entire window.<br /> </p> Just to add to this, I’ve heard that the “hoodlums” have been using “etching cream” in shoe polish bottles for several years now …NYC has windows a decade old with old dripped etches on it where businesses refuse to replace the entire window.

]]> By: JT Barnhart http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4638 JT Barnhart Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4638 <p>I have been getting some e-mails about this and it would seem a lot of people have been just like me and have walked past these for ages not realizing they were etched. I assumed they were wax or something and thought the shop owners were being slow about cleanup. It would seem unless someone has done it or has had to deal with it they don't know about the etching. </p> <p>There is a lot to the "language" of graffiti. I think it is a fairly straight forward applied anthropology subject. There are researchers looking at this medium but it isn't too high profile. Police and other civil authorities use the research for everything from gang busting to neighborhood improvement.</p> <p>Haha If someone shoots me a grant or something I'll be glad to research it. Heck, I'll make a documnetary if you want.</p> <p>Incidentally, when I was taking the photos I got really chewed out by passers by. I had to do some fast talking to explain. They said I should be careful because taggers often return after the fact to take pictures for their "portfolios".</p> I have been getting some e-mails about this and it would seem a lot of people have been just like me and have walked past these for ages not realizing they were etched. I assumed they were wax or something and thought the shop owners were being slow about cleanup. It would seem unless someone has done it or has had to deal with it they don’t know about the etching.

There is a lot to the “language” of graffiti. I think it is a fairly straight forward applied anthropology subject. There are researchers looking at this medium but it isn’t too high profile. Police and other civil authorities use the research for everything from gang busting to neighborhood improvement.

Haha If someone shoots me a grant or something I’ll be glad to research it. Heck, I’ll make a documnetary if you want.

Incidentally, when I was taking the photos I got really chewed out by passers by. I had to do some fast talking to explain. They said I should be careful because taggers often return after the fact to take pictures for their “portfolios”.

]]> By: Manny Jenkins http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4639 Manny Jenkins Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4639 <p>Like many other people, I was unaware that the markings were permanent. My question is, who is going to pay for these hoodlums to keep vandalizing property? You and I will as prices are raised to account for the cost of vandalism. As a small business owner, I don't know how I would pay to fix a vandalized window. It is not like I run a huge corporation. What are these people trying to prove? What if it weren't cool to tag anymore? Perhaps there is a way to flip it and make it uncool to leave your mark. Perhaps stiffer penalties would work. Or a mandatory 5 years of community service, cleaning up graffiti. <br /> </p> Like many other people, I was unaware that the markings were permanent. My question is, who is going to pay for these hoodlums to keep vandalizing property? You and I will as prices are raised to account for the cost of vandalism. As a small business owner, I don’t know how I would pay to fix a vandalized window. It is not like I run a huge corporation. What are these people trying to prove? What if it weren’t cool to tag anymore? Perhaps there is a way to flip it and make it uncool to leave your mark. Perhaps stiffer penalties would work. Or a mandatory 5 years of community service, cleaning up graffiti.

]]> By: Rex Michaelson http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4640 Rex Michaelson Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4640 <p>Creative minds with degenerate tastes; A bad combination for such permanent and invasive "art". I can stomach some graffiti some of the time, but these guys are certainly breeding intolerance to the modern folk art.</p> <p>I suppose that the victims could at least use the etch chemical to stencil over this garbage...I'm curious to why they haven't already.</p> <p><br /> </p> Creative minds with degenerate tastes; A bad combination for such permanent and invasive “art”. I can stomach some graffiti some of the time, but these guys are certainly breeding intolerance to the modern folk art.

I suppose that the victims could at least use the etch chemical to stencil over this garbage…I’m curious to why they haven’t already.

]]> By: indigosix http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4641 indigosix Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4641 <p>An interesting article highlighting a problem occuring in larger metropolitan cities. I live in a small midwestern city and the trend has yet to make it here. I was unaware of the new "tagging" form.</p> <p>I can imagine that a small business owner would find it difficult to replace windowfronts. It also blocks the view of goods within the storefronts and can cost the owner more than money. </p> <p>A thanks to psfk.com for posting this article and bringing to light this form of "tagging" to the general public at large. </p> An interesting article highlighting a problem occuring in larger metropolitan cities. I live in a small midwestern city and the trend has yet to make it here. I was unaware of the new “tagging” form.

I can imagine that a small business owner would find it difficult to replace windowfronts. It also blocks the view of goods within the storefronts and can cost the owner more than money.

A thanks to psfk.com for posting this article and bringing to light this form of “tagging” to the general public at large.

]]> By: rob http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4642 rob Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4642 <p>Very interesting article. I was in that area of Chicago recently and noticed one of these "etchings." I didnt know what it was at the time or how they did it, now I do. Too bad tagging is such a banal use of creativity...if only we could harness that power for good...or at least sorta-good. Either way, mystery solved. Thanks.</p> Very interesting article. I was in that area of Chicago recently and noticed one of these “etchings.” I didnt know what it was at the time or how they did it, now I do. Too bad tagging is such a banal use of creativity…if only we could harness that power for good…or at least sorta-good. Either way, mystery solved. Thanks.

]]> By: JT Barnhart http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4643 JT Barnhart Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4643 <p>Ok, so I have just been informed by, no really, a confidential source that there is a way to remove a lot of the etching. It would seem that there is some sort of glass buffer that can take out much of it. This is really interesting. I talked to a few glass people and they never mentioned it. I am guessing this was because they would rather sell a plate glass window than fix the graffiti. </p> <p>I'm getting a small flood of information coming from a number of directions. It is all much appreciated. </p> <p>Thanks to everyone for taking an interest. </p> Ok, so I have just been informed by, no really, a confidential source that there is a way to remove a lot of the etching. It would seem that there is some sort of glass buffer that can take out much of it. This is really interesting. I talked to a few glass people and they never mentioned it. I am guessing this was because they would rather sell a plate glass window than fix the graffiti.

I’m getting a small flood of information coming from a number of directions. It is all much appreciated.

Thanks to everyone for taking an interest.

]]> By: Mike Anderson http://www.psfk.com/2005/02/armor_etch_some.html/comment-page-1#comment-4644 Mike Anderson Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-4644 <p>In his book, The Tipping Point, Malcolm Gladwell comments on the "Broken Windows" theory of crime that was first popularized in 1982 by sociologists James Q. Wilson and George L. Kelling. Gladwell describes as follows: "If a window is broken and left unrepaired, people walking by will conclude that no one cares and no one is in charge. Soon more windows will be broken, and the sense of anarchy will spread from the building to the street it faces, sending a signal that anything goes. In a city, relatively minor problems like graffiti, public disorder, and panhandlig are all the equivalent of broken windows, invitations to more serious crimes."</p> <p>As a property owner myself, this can be a constant battle. I feel a great level of frustration that I am sure the Store owners in the Article share. They are attempting to run a business. I am not familiar with Chicago, and wouldn't know what areas are "safer" than others. I do know that if I stepped out of a cab in an unfamiliar area and saw what I could describe as Gang Symbols on every window, I might easily get back in the cab. I certainly would if my Wife was with me.</p> <p>The cost of replacing large plate glass windows would certainly be prohibitive. In the shoes of one of those Owners, I would most likely replace the window and install a solid metal roll down gate over the front of the store. That might not be a financial option for every store owner.</p> <p>This isn't Art, it's vandalism.</p> In his book, The Tipping Point, Malcolm Gladwell comments on the “Broken Windows” theory of crime that was first popularized in 1982 by sociologists James Q. Wilson and George L. Kelling. Gladwell describes as follows: “If a window is broken and left unrepaired, people walking by will conclude that no one cares and no one is in charge. Soon more windows will be broken, and the sense of anarchy will spread from the building to the street it faces, sending a signal that anything goes. In a city, relatively minor problems like graffiti, public disorder, and panhandlig are all the equivalent of broken windows, invitations to more serious crimes.”

As a property owner myself, this can be a constant battle. I feel a great level of frustration that I am sure the Store owners in the Article share. They are attempting to run a business. I am not familiar with Chicago, and wouldn’t know what areas are “safer” than others. I do know that if I stepped out of a cab in an unfamiliar area and saw what I could describe as Gang Symbols on every window, I might easily get back in the cab. I certainly would if my Wife was with me.

The cost of replacing large plate glass windows would certainly be prohibitive. In the shoes of one of those Owners, I would most likely replace the window and install a solid metal roll down gate over the front of the store. That might not be a financial option for every store owner.

This isn’t Art, it’s vandalism.

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