Comments on: Nokia Makes Network Play With WiFi Phone http://www.psfk.com/2006/02/nokia_makes_net.html Ideas & Trends Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:51:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Douglass Turner http://www.psfk.com/2006/02/nokia_makes_net.html/comment-page-1#comment-2799 Douglass Turner Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2799 <p>Unfortunaltely, Nokia has one customer and one customer only. That customer is the mobile carrier industry. Nokia is, as it were, their bitch. Always will be.</p> <p>Nokia has had Wi-Fi phones in their labs for years. At the end of the day they still must kiss the carriers ring and do their bidding. </p> <p>When Vodo asks Nokia for a little red button on the keypad to take customers to Vodo's little red walled garden Nokia must agree. When carriers ask for clamshells, Nokia must agree. Nokia labs be damned.</p> <p>I've always felt Nokia is cursed for being brilliant but trapped.</p> <p>-Doug</p> Unfortunaltely, Nokia has one customer and one customer only. That customer is the mobile carrier industry. Nokia is, as it were, their bitch. Always will be.

Nokia has had Wi-Fi phones in their labs for years. At the end of the day they still must kiss the carriers ring and do their bidding.

When Vodo asks Nokia for a little red button on the keypad to take customers to Vodo’s little red walled garden Nokia must agree. When carriers ask for clamshells, Nokia must agree. Nokia labs be damned.

I’ve always felt Nokia is cursed for being brilliant but trapped.

-Doug

]]> By: mizubitchy http://www.psfk.com/2006/02/nokia_makes_net.html/comment-page-1#comment-2800 mizubitchy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2800 <p>I disagree. Just look at traditional homephones. There the VoIP works aswell. Homeusers have it, big companies have it. Cellphones is just the same. And as soon as there's a way to get cheaper rates, customers will follow that. And there will be services popping up just delivering what the customers want. No big deal. There will be some new media company, be it Yahoo or Google or Ebay picking that up. I mean how expensive were UMTS Licenses again and how much does it cost to set up a WLAN or WIMAX net? </p> <p>Plus it will be harder to explain for traditional mobile service providers why their services are so expensive (just look at what SMS regular rates are, or daytime phonerates) while you can have a next-to-nothing flatrate using WiFi.</p> <p>Could be that WiFi phones will work out in big cities only. But hey- then you have a WiFi phone that drops back to GMS or UMTS as soon as there's no WiFi available anymore. </p> I disagree. Just look at traditional homephones. There the VoIP works aswell. Homeusers have it, big companies have it. Cellphones is just the same. And as soon as there’s a way to get cheaper rates, customers will follow that. And there will be services popping up just delivering what the customers want. No big deal. There will be some new media company, be it Yahoo or Google or Ebay picking that up. I mean how expensive were UMTS Licenses again and how much does it cost to set up a WLAN or WIMAX net?

Plus it will be harder to explain for traditional mobile service providers why their services are so expensive (just look at what SMS regular rates are, or daytime phonerates) while you can have a next-to-nothing flatrate using WiFi.

Could be that WiFi phones will work out in big cities only. But hey- then you have a WiFi phone that drops back to GMS or UMTS as soon as there’s no WiFi available anymore.

]]> By: Douglass Turner http://www.psfk.com/2006/02/nokia_makes_net.html/comment-page-1#comment-2801 Douglass Turner Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2801 <p>Mark my words. Not a single mobile carrier will allow any Nokia phone that they provision to have direct, unemcumbered (out of garden) access to a WiFi hotspot. NEVER. EVER. NEVER EVER. NEVERNEVER EVEREVER. Am I getting through here?</p> <p>No carrier on God's green earth will do anything that threatens their (slowly deflating) voice tariffs. WiFi (unmediated by the carrier) is about as direct as I can imagine. Short of blowing up radio towers. Boom. Yikes!</p> <p>In any head to head confrontation between handset vendor and carrier the vendor ALWAYS blinks and backs down.</p> <p>If you don't understand this dynamic you don't understand the mobile wireless industry.</p> <p>-Doug<br /> </p> Mark my words. Not a single mobile carrier will allow any Nokia phone that they provision to have direct, unemcumbered (out of garden) access to a WiFi hotspot. NEVER. EVER. NEVER EVER. NEVERNEVER EVEREVER. Am I getting through here?

No carrier on God’s green earth will do anything that threatens their (slowly deflating) voice tariffs. WiFi (unmediated by the carrier) is about as direct as I can imagine. Short of blowing up radio towers. Boom. Yikes!

In any head to head confrontation between handset vendor and carrier the vendor ALWAYS blinks and backs down.

If you don’t understand this dynamic you don’t understand the mobile wireless industry.

-Doug

]]> By: mizubitchy http://www.psfk.com/2006/02/nokia_makes_net.html/comment-page-1#comment-2802 mizubitchy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2802 <p>Thanks for the information about the mobile wireless industry. You're getting through clearly. </p> <p>Still I think it will be possible for nowadays non-carriers to hit the WiFi Phone Market. I mean the same arguments could have been brought up before Apple conquered the Mobile Media Player and the MP3 Sales Market with a snap. That's some sort of dynamic, eh? </p> <p>And how come that VoIP is succesful on the hometelephone market while there are still carriers offering the same voice services over traditional telephone connections? I mean even with Skype you can call to domestic real telephone numbers. </p> <p>Instant Messengers also made their way to the cellphones even though or more likely because SMS Services by the big providers are such a rip-off. Why pay 20 Cents for a single SMS when you can send email or IM for a fraction of the SMS price? </p> <p>Of course the big carriers Vodafone, T-Mobile and what they're all called will try to protect their high-price models but for how long will they be able to keep that up when within the next 2-5 years Apple, Google, or Yahoo or maybe even a consortium will start a WiFI Phone Service? Wasn't it the same way with the Music Majors which tried their protectism of traditional music distribution and pricing? How you'd like that dynamic in the mobile market? <br /> </p> Thanks for the information about the mobile wireless industry. You’re getting through clearly.

Still I think it will be possible for nowadays non-carriers to hit the WiFi Phone Market. I mean the same arguments could have been brought up before Apple conquered the Mobile Media Player and the MP3 Sales Market with a snap. That’s some sort of dynamic, eh?

And how come that VoIP is succesful on the hometelephone market while there are still carriers offering the same voice services over traditional telephone connections? I mean even with Skype you can call to domestic real telephone numbers.

Instant Messengers also made their way to the cellphones even though or more likely because SMS Services by the big providers are such a rip-off. Why pay 20 Cents for a single SMS when you can send email or IM for a fraction of the SMS price?

Of course the big carriers Vodafone, T-Mobile and what they’re all called will try to protect their high-price models but for how long will they be able to keep that up when within the next 2-5 years Apple, Google, or Yahoo or maybe even a consortium will start a WiFI Phone Service? Wasn’t it the same way with the Music Majors which tried their protectism of traditional music distribution and pricing? How you’d like that dynamic in the mobile market?

]]> By: Phil http://www.psfk.com/2006/02/nokia_makes_net.html/comment-page-1#comment-2803 Phil Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2803 <p> don't think it want happen. I been around the block more than once.. 68 now.. My city, corpus christi tx. is installing wifi cloud that covers 147 sq.miles. and has invited company's to move in and do there expermitation projects in our local..<br /> go to Http://www.cctexas.com and check it out.<br /> wifi phones internet phones there coming --</p> <p> I didn't have TV till I was bout 14. hell now I got my on computer.......... go figure...<br /> Later children<br /> Phil</p> don’t think it want happen. I been around the block more than once.. 68 now.. My city, corpus christi tx. is installing wifi cloud that covers 147 sq.miles. and has invited company’s to move in and do there expermitation projects in our local..
go to Http://www.cctexas.com and check it out.
wifi phones internet phones there coming –

I didn’t have TV till I was bout 14. hell now I got my on computer………. go figure…
Later children
Phil

]]> By: Phil http://www.psfk.com/2006/02/nokia_makes_net.html/comment-page-1#comment-2804 Phil Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2804 <p> Oh::<br /> sidebar:<br /> Texas is going to install " WIFI" hotspots at all roadside stops -- free access supposely at this time. <br /> Phil</p> Oh::
sidebar:
Texas is going to install ” WIFI” hotspots at all roadside stops — free access supposely at this time.
Phil

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YP-MT6X Yepp 512MB Portable Compact Digital Music MP3 Player = $70
Zen Micro 5 GB MP3 Player – Dark Blue [ Creative Labs = $100
iRiver 5 GB MP3 Player (Silver) = $110
Creative Labs NOMAD Jukebox Zen Xtra 30 GB MP3 Player = $90
Sony MZ-NH600D 1GB MP3 Player Hi-MD Walkman Digital Music Player = $90
Network Walkman NW-HD1 20GB MP3 Player = $150
Cowon iAudio X5 20GB MP3 Player = $110
Digital Audio Players from Motorola: Audio MP3 Players, Digital = $70
Gigabeat Meg-F60S 60GB MP3 Player – Gray = $155
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Nokia 7710 110$
Nokia 6170 145$
Nokia 6260 145$
Nokia 3510i 95$
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Nokia 9300 110$
Nokia 7260 120$
Nokia 7270 110$
Nokia 7280 120$
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Nokia 6020 120$
Nokia 3220 65$
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Nokia 6610i 120$
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Nokia 6600 120$
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Nokia 6620 120$
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Nokia 8910i 120$
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SAMSUNG P860 165$
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Sony Ericsson T310……80 USD
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Sony Ericsson Z600……130 USD
Sony Ericssson T630…..130 USD
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