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	<title>Comments on: Agency Biz: Is Working On Soda Like Working On Tobacco</title>
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		<title>By: Malfatti</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12271</link>
		<dc:creator>Malfatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last statement finally got it! Though this is not only about America, everywhere the media and advertising in general get this old task to be political correct and to &quot;pull the moral trigger&quot;. 

The media and the ad business are only a part of society. It&#039;s the job of everyone to kick off positive change for themselves! You don&#039;t have to buy coke! If you haven&#039;t learned that to much sugar is bad for you, and that ads want to sell products, the problem lies in a lack of knowledge.

But attention please! The other way round it&#039;s the same story. Ad agency can&#039;t blame the public, they should protect their &quot;primal source of income&quot; from harm as they would protect themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last statement finally got it! Though this is not only about America, everywhere the media and advertising in general get this old task to be political correct and to &#8220;pull the moral trigger&#8221;. </p>
<p>The media and the ad business are only a part of society. It&#8217;s the job of everyone to kick off positive change for themselves! You don&#8217;t have to buy coke! If you haven&#8217;t learned that to much sugar is bad for you, and that ads want to sell products, the problem lies in a lack of knowledge.</p>
<p>But attention please! The other way round it&#8217;s the same story. Ad agency can&#8217;t blame the public, they should protect their &#8220;primal source of income&#8221; from harm as they would protect themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12253</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>welcome to america...where your problems are always someone elses fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>welcome to america&#8230;where your problems are always someone elses fault.</p>
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		<title>By: harry fowler</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12241</link>
		<dc:creator>harry fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should ad agencies have a similar moral decision when it comes to soda as they do to tobacco?

Should individuals start taking responsibility for their own actions and a less time trying to find someone to blame other than themselves?

You can&#039;t go around demanding morals from agencies when as an individual or a group, you don&#039;t adhere to those morals yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should ad agencies have a similar moral decision when it comes to soda as they do to tobacco?</p>
<p>Should individuals start taking responsibility for their own actions and a less time trying to find someone to blame other than themselves?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t go around demanding morals from agencies when as an individual or a group, you don&#8217;t adhere to those morals yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack at Fork &#38; Bottle</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12240</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack at Fork &#38; Bottle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;dangerous Corn Syrup down&quot; - it&#039;s not Corn Syrup but instead, High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS). 

&quot;Should ad agencies have a similar moral decision when it comes to soda as they do to tobacco?&quot;

Sure, well, if they had morals, er, right? Perhaps they could get their clients to stop advertising unhealthy food and beverages to kids, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;dangerous Corn Syrup down&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s not Corn Syrup but instead, High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS). </p>
<p>&#8220;Should ad agencies have a similar moral decision when it comes to soda as they do to tobacco?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, well, if they had morals, er, right? Perhaps they could get their clients to stop advertising unhealthy food and beverages to kids, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd Hayes</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12233</link>
		<dc:creator>Floyd Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha thanks RJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha thanks RJ</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12230</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Floyd rational scrutiny = moving beyond the&quot; &quot;Coke&quot; is a bottle of useless calories than can make one fat, ergo we don&#039;t want to support their mission with our services&quot; kind of analysis–that smacks of knee jerk superficiality to me. 

Vs. the argument I first posted whose subtext is: anything consumed immoderately can be unhealthy, ergo I&#039;ll do work for Coke and defer calorie counting responsibility to their &quot;audience&quot; (that word still feels a bit awkward in this context)

hit me: rjulian@quo-vadis.tv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Floyd rational scrutiny = moving beyond the&#8221; &#8220;Coke&#8221; is a bottle of useless calories than can make one fat, ergo we don&#8217;t want to support their mission with our services&#8221; kind of analysis–that smacks of knee jerk superficiality to me. </p>
<p>Vs. the argument I first posted whose subtext is: anything consumed immoderately can be unhealthy, ergo I&#8217;ll do work for Coke and defer calorie counting responsibility to their &#8220;audience&#8221; (that word still feels a bit awkward in this context)</p>
<p>hit me: <a href="mailto:rjulian@quo-vadis.tv">rjulian@quo-vadis.tv</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the bigger issue is the lack of creativity here. Wrapping your product in art or tying it to the latest pop star does not make your product any better or more hip. It makes me question more the integrity of the artist. Despite my boredom with Crispin, they made a success of BK by making the brand itself cool, not by association, but by being funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bigger issue is the lack of creativity here. Wrapping your product in art or tying it to the latest pop star does not make your product any better or more hip. It makes me question more the integrity of the artist. Despite my boredom with Crispin, they made a success of BK by making the brand itself cool, not by association, but by being funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rick, we should exchange emails :)

&quot;apply rational scrutiny when evaluating net harm vs. net good&quot;

Give me an example if you please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rick, we should exchange emails :)</p>
<p>&#8220;apply rational scrutiny when evaluating net harm vs. net good&#8221;</p>
<p>Give me an example if you please.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12224</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t questioning whether W+K should have compunctions about helping sell something that is harmful in unmoderated quantities just one step away from questioning whether agencies are ethically culpable for encouraging unnecessary consumption in all product categories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t questioning whether W+K should have compunctions about helping sell something that is harmful in unmoderated quantities just one step away from questioning whether agencies are ethically culpable for encouraging unnecessary consumption in all product categories?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12222</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Floyd while we&#039;re not a big agency, there are things we care deeply about, but before we&#039;d shun an account we&#039;d  apply rational scrutiny when evaluating net harm vs. net good. I don&#039;t believe the &quot;Coke is harming its drinkers&quot; argument holds water.

As for big agencies, I tend to agree, their calculus is more base: can this account help us feed the beast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Floyd while we&#8217;re not a big agency, there are things we care deeply about, but before we&#8217;d shun an account we&#8217;d  apply rational scrutiny when evaluating net harm vs. net good. I don&#8217;t believe the &#8220;Coke is harming its drinkers&#8221; argument holds water.</p>
<p>As for big agencies, I tend to agree, their calculus is more base: can this account help us feed the beast?</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd Hayes</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12220</link>
		<dc:creator>Floyd Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very simple; most big companies and their agencies don&#039;t care about anything apart form the financial bottom line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very simple; most big companies and their agencies don&#8217;t care about anything apart form the financial bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: W+K&#039;s moral calculus: A heavy diet of Coke is certainly unhealthy, but I&#039;m carrying a few extra pounds and rarely drink Coke, so I&#039;m packing in calories from non-soda sources I don&#039;t moderate well.

Should the agency for the bagel brand I consume wring their moral hands?  Should the cream cheese folks, or the Cheezit folks, or the hundred-of-other-food-brands-I-consume do the same? I think not. I place the responsibility for moderating consumption of potentially unhealthy (when consumed in excess) products at the feet of the buyer (especially parents).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: W+K&#8217;s moral calculus: A heavy diet of Coke is certainly unhealthy, but I&#8217;m carrying a few extra pounds and rarely drink Coke, so I&#8217;m packing in calories from non-soda sources I don&#8217;t moderate well.</p>
<p>Should the agency for the bagel brand I consume wring their moral hands?  Should the cream cheese folks, or the Cheezit folks, or the hundred-of-other-food-brands-I-consume do the same? I think not. I place the responsibility for moderating consumption of potentially unhealthy (when consumed in excess) products at the feet of the buyer (especially parents).</p>
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		<title>By: up001</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/02/coke-wks-contradictions.html/comment-page-1#comment-12217</link>
		<dc:creator>up001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with W+K&#039;s strategy of tapping real artists to add some cool factor to their clients brands. Isn&#039;t that better than appropriating their art to use in an agencies ads? Maybe its not that different - at least they give them credit and $$$.

Next time Coke and W+K could do a promotion, maybe they&#039;ll ask the artists to work with a more sustainable medium.

Thanks for raising this issue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with W+K&#8217;s strategy of tapping real artists to add some cool factor to their clients brands. Isn&#8217;t that better than appropriating their art to use in an agencies ads? Maybe its not that different &#8211; at least they give them credit and $$$.</p>
<p>Next time Coke and W+K could do a promotion, maybe they&#8217;ll ask the artists to work with a more sustainable medium.</p>
<p>Thanks for raising this issue!</p>
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