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		<title>By: Peter E</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/12/bad-advice-get-a-job.html/comment-page-1#comment-244611</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piers,

I am 24 and I for the most part disagree with your advice. I completely agree you can learn an incredible amount by working for yourself and by collaborating with others. You learn a lot about yourself and the valuable skill that is being a self-starter. Also, given the low barriers to entry, this in now as easy as ever.

Where I disagree with you, is your statement regarding &quot;not entering big business because you will spend the first 5-8 years taking on the bad habits of your managers.” Now, this assumes your manager is terrible, and not inspirational. While there are tons of worthless, go-with-the-flow managers in the work force, there are tons of managers who want to teach and inspire the people that work for them. 

At the same time, I think it is very important for young employees to think and be aware of their environments. DO NOT BE A DRONE. How can they even know what a good manager is without understanding what a bad manager is? This translates to starting your own company, how can someone know how they want to run their company without having something to base it on. I have worked at a major advertising agency and currently work at a major media company and at the same time I want to be an entrepreneur. I know that my experiences will be valuable in shaping the company I want to run and how I want to run it.

I think the solution is both; starting your career at a huge company and having the fortitude to think outside the hours of 9-5. It does not need to be one or the other. Employees should have a Google Reader account with dozens of industry feeds to understand what is taking place in their industry outside of the company walls. They should be constantly be brainstorming ideas and working with peers with similar interests. Finally, when they have a substantial idea or a business with the groundwork laid (during their free time), they can make an educated decision to leave the company to become a full time entrepreneur. Don’t burn bridges, and if it doesn’t pan out, you have a place (MAYBE! And if that place doesn’t exist given everything happening right now, you have made some good contacts) to come back to.

Unless you are an entrepreneurial wunderkind, I think experience is the most important thing. Sorry for the long response but this kinda struck a cord with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piers,</p>
<p>I am 24 and I for the most part disagree with your advice. I completely agree you can learn an incredible amount by working for yourself and by collaborating with others. You learn a lot about yourself and the valuable skill that is being a self-starter. Also, given the low barriers to entry, this in now as easy as ever.</p>
<p>Where I disagree with you, is your statement regarding &#8220;not entering big business because you will spend the first 5-8 years taking on the bad habits of your managers.” Now, this assumes your manager is terrible, and not inspirational. While there are tons of worthless, go-with-the-flow managers in the work force, there are tons of managers who want to teach and inspire the people that work for them. </p>
<p>At the same time, I think it is very important for young employees to think and be aware of their environments. DO NOT BE A DRONE. How can they even know what a good manager is without understanding what a bad manager is? This translates to starting your own company, how can someone know how they want to run their company without having something to base it on. I have worked at a major advertising agency and currently work at a major media company and at the same time I want to be an entrepreneur. I know that my experiences will be valuable in shaping the company I want to run and how I want to run it.</p>
<p>I think the solution is both; starting your career at a huge company and having the fortitude to think outside the hours of 9-5. It does not need to be one or the other. Employees should have a Google Reader account with dozens of industry feeds to understand what is taking place in their industry outside of the company walls. They should be constantly be brainstorming ideas and working with peers with similar interests. Finally, when they have a substantial idea or a business with the groundwork laid (during their free time), they can make an educated decision to leave the company to become a full time entrepreneur. Don’t burn bridges, and if it doesn’t pan out, you have a place (MAYBE! And if that place doesn’t exist given everything happening right now, you have made some good contacts) to come back to.</p>
<p>Unless you are an entrepreneurial wunderkind, I think experience is the most important thing. Sorry for the long response but this kinda struck a cord with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward O'Meara</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/12/bad-advice-get-a-job.html/comment-page-1#comment-244546</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward O'Meara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be more clear... there&#039;s nothing wrong in looking, searching, begging for, or holding a job.  My recommendation was - and is - to learn how to create your path and make that your priority.  No company will take care of you.  Ever.  Not even in France or Japan.  So, take care of yourself; Incorporate now. My Point is to Create something that is Yours, even if you are working as a waitress to pay bills. Find something.  Make something. Freelancing is a great starting point, just don&#039;t do it as a person, do it as Your Company.  You never know where it may lead, but income or not you&#039;ll never be &quot;unemployed&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be more clear&#8230; there&#8217;s nothing wrong in looking, searching, begging for, or holding a job.  My recommendation was &#8211; and is &#8211; to learn how to create your path and make that your priority.  No company will take care of you.  Ever.  Not even in France or Japan.  So, take care of yourself; Incorporate now. My Point is to Create something that is Yours, even if you are working as a waitress to pay bills. Find something.  Make something. Freelancing is a great starting point, just don&#8217;t do it as a person, do it as Your Company.  You never know where it may lead, but income or not you&#8217;ll never be &#8220;unemployed&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Libby Issendorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libby Issendorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piers, I would love to freelance or start my own small business, but like most recent college grads, I was barely able to make ends meet with my part-time job during school and now my debt outweighs my savings. I need a regular paycheck, whether that comes from a huge agency or a waitressing gig.

Credibility is another issue. Companies are laying off longtime workers left and right, and many of those newly jobless professionals are becoming freelancers. It will be tough for recent graduates with minimal experience to compete against their resumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piers, I would love to freelance or start my own small business, but like most recent college grads, I was barely able to make ends meet with my part-time job during school and now my debt outweighs my savings. I need a regular paycheck, whether that comes from a huge agency or a waitressing gig.</p>
<p>Credibility is another issue. Companies are laying off longtime workers left and right, and many of those newly jobless professionals are becoming freelancers. It will be tough for recent graduates with minimal experience to compete against their resumes.</p>
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		<title>By: Piers Fawkes</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/12/bad-advice-get-a-job.html/comment-page-1#comment-244466</link>
		<dc:creator>Piers Fawkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristen, 

Thanks for your comment. Much appreciated.

I do think you base your recommendations on what has gone before. I don&#039;t think there are going to be that many &#039;big&#039; companies in the future and those that are around will outsource much of their work to suppliers, partners, freelancers and permalancers.

P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen, </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. Much appreciated.</p>
<p>I do think you base your recommendations on what has gone before. I don&#8217;t think there are going to be that many &#8216;big&#8217; companies in the future and those that are around will outsource much of their work to suppliers, partners, freelancers and permalancers.</p>
<p>P</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that young people should give up on looking for a job, and that they don&#039;t need to work for big companies anymore is, in many cases, incredibly stupid.

I&#039;ve freelanced and I&#039;ve worked for big companies, and the truth is that they&#039;re strikingly different learning experiences. Young people should be looking for opportunities to do both.

Working in a corporate job is what you make of it, but it gives you the opportunity to work on bigger projects with more money.  It gets you in doors that otherwise you&#039;d have to work an extra seven years to open.  Working freelance is also great (except for the no health insurance bit and the fact that most young people will make less money this way because they can&#039;t yet command a price that would make up for how much more time it takes for them to chase freelance work down).  Working freelance teaches you how to do things without any money and without anyone looking over your shoulder.  

Advocating freelance work for kids just getting out of college is a survival strategy, but not necessarily a career strategy.  You can freelance all you want, but graduating from college doesn&#039;t mean you don&#039;t have anything left to learn.  You can learn a lot from a big company, and you can learn it faster than via trial and error.  So while it may not be for everyone, working for a big company can be invaluable to many people, and it seems unwise to simply spit on that kind of goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that young people should give up on looking for a job, and that they don&#8217;t need to work for big companies anymore is, in many cases, incredibly stupid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve freelanced and I&#8217;ve worked for big companies, and the truth is that they&#8217;re strikingly different learning experiences. Young people should be looking for opportunities to do both.</p>
<p>Working in a corporate job is what you make of it, but it gives you the opportunity to work on bigger projects with more money.  It gets you in doors that otherwise you&#8217;d have to work an extra seven years to open.  Working freelance is also great (except for the no health insurance bit and the fact that most young people will make less money this way because they can&#8217;t yet command a price that would make up for how much more time it takes for them to chase freelance work down).  Working freelance teaches you how to do things without any money and without anyone looking over your shoulder.  </p>
<p>Advocating freelance work for kids just getting out of college is a survival strategy, but not necessarily a career strategy.  You can freelance all you want, but graduating from college doesn&#8217;t mean you don&#8217;t have anything left to learn.  You can learn a lot from a big company, and you can learn it faster than via trial and error.  So while it may not be for everyone, working for a big company can be invaluable to many people, and it seems unwise to simply spit on that kind of goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin Soler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin Soler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Nelson and Edward.  I currently work in one of the securest industries in the US- the Legal Criminal Justice System.  It&#039;s the only full time job I have had since I graduated from college in 1996.  Yet I refuse to &quot;get comfortable&quot; and wait for a retirement.  Too many people have undiscovered talents and tenacity in them.  They just need some direction and a bit of encouragement and off they go.  I&#039;m glad to see that my thoughts are on the right track: &quot;My next full time job I ever plan on having is for my own company&quot;.  So let&#039;s spread the word to everyone out there; there is more information available than ever before on how to get something done.  You just have to keep looking for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Nelson and Edward.  I currently work in one of the securest industries in the US- the Legal Criminal Justice System.  It&#8217;s the only full time job I have had since I graduated from college in 1996.  Yet I refuse to &#8220;get comfortable&#8221; and wait for a retirement.  Too many people have undiscovered talents and tenacity in them.  They just need some direction and a bit of encouragement and off they go.  I&#8217;m glad to see that my thoughts are on the right track: &#8220;My next full time job I ever plan on having is for my own company&#8221;.  So let&#8217;s spread the word to everyone out there; there is more information available than ever before on how to get something done.  You just have to keep looking for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson Merchan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelson Merchan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you.
Mentors, parents, teachers should invite the young and not so young to consider setting up their own companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you.<br />
Mentors, parents, teachers should invite the young and not so young to consider setting up their own companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward O'Meara</title>
		<link>http://www.psfk.com/2008/12/bad-advice-get-a-job.html/comment-page-1#comment-244370</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward O'Meara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piers, fwiw I agree ... 

Last month I was speaking to a Journalism class at UGA.  Told them that my freshman year (1983) a sociology professor advised us we&#039;d work for at least 11 different companies in our careers.  At the time, my grandfathers had each worked at one, and my father three.  The students all were laughing at that idea. Guess what. Most of my cohorts are already above 11.  During my remarks, I suggested to the students that it was very possible they might only work for one company during their careers - their own - and told them to get started now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piers, fwiw I agree &#8230; </p>
<p>Last month I was speaking to a Journalism class at UGA.  Told them that my freshman year (1983) a sociology professor advised us we&#8217;d work for at least 11 different companies in our careers.  At the time, my grandfathers had each worked at one, and my father three.  The students all were laughing at that idea. Guess what. Most of my cohorts are already above 11.  During my remarks, I suggested to the students that it was very possible they might only work for one company during their careers &#8211; their own &#8211; and told them to get started now.</p>
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