WMMNA: Interview With Numen / For Use

WMMNA: Interview With Numen / For Use

Régine Debatty interviews the design collective behind this floating jungle gym.

Amelia Riley Swan
  • 29 september 2011

NET at Z33, 2011. Image Numen / For Use

There is only one week left for you to run to the House for Contemporary Art Z33 in Hasselt and bounce around the amazing work that Numen / For Use has created especially for the art center.

This is the second time this year that I’ve encountered the work of the design collective. I discovered their work in Spring when I was attending a press conference at CCCS – Strozzina in Florence. Sven Jonke, Christoph Katzler and Nikola Radeljkovic had wrapped transparent tape all over the courtyard of the venerable Palazzo Strozzi to shape a self-supporting cocoon for people to crawl inside. For Z33, they’ve left the gaffer tape in Vienna and Zagreb (where they are based) and used nets to turn the whole exhibition space into a giant playground that can be explored horizontally as well as vertically. The idea might look incredibly simple but the result evokes floating architecture and flexible, aerial “landscape” as much as jungle gym.

I was beyond happy when Nikola and Christoph accepted to discuss their work with me. The interview focuses mostly on the Net at Z33 and on the Tape walk-in installation I saw in Florence but the Numen/ For Use website will, I’m sure, give you many more reasons to admire their work.

Numen / For Use – NET, 2011, Z33, Hasselt, Belgium (photo: Kristof Vrancken / Z33)


Numen / For Use – NET, 2011, Z33, Hasselt, Belgium (photo: Kristof Vrancken / Z33)


Numen / For Use – NET, 2011, Z33, Hasselt, Belgium (photo: Kristof Vrancken / Z33)

Sorry if I’m going to start on a very trivial note but one of the first questions that popped into my mind was “how about security?” I’m sure your installations are perfectly safe and sound but is ‘health and safety’ ever an issue? Are there any special measure you have to comply with and did they ever get in the way of your creativity?

Christoph: Security and safety is always the thing we fight with. Since we are educated as applied artists and since we do a lot of set design in theatre we are aware of all the problems concerning statics and security.

It is part of every daily reality. Especially when you make something in public space you have to fight with a lot of law issues. But often they are rather idiotic issues. It is bizarre to see how different countries and different organizers are putting weight and importance concerning law on totally different things and how they ignore others totally. But it is also interesting that in art institutions law is very often not seen so super strict like in other fields. This is one reason why I like to work there.

Up to now it was like this that either the ideas went without bigger problems into realization or they stopped very early due to some legal regulations.

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Régine Debatty is the creator of the ‘We Make Money Not Art’ blog and an art show curator. She has also spoken at several conferences and festivals about the way artists, hackers and interaction designers (mis)use technology. Learn more about Régine Debatty.


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